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villur · Jun 18, 2010, 12:33 PM // 12:33

Hello paragon community

I might be creating a paragon, but since i don't know anything about paragons can you help me out by telling me what they're good at and what not

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iToasterHD · Jun 18, 2010, 01:37 PM // 13:37

Imbagon (http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:P/W_Imbagon)

Nothing else.

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ajc2123 · Jun 18, 2010, 02:11 PM // 14:11

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Originally Posted by iToasterHD

Imbagon (http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:P/W_Imbagon)

Nothing else.

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Sadly, that's mostly the case. They have like ONE farming build, (thats not even really that good) and imbagon which is INSANELY overpowered, but that's it. Outside of that it does mediocre support.

Probably just as usefull as a warrior that just spams watch yourself

I love paragons....they just aren't viable outside of one build.

Celestina · Jun 18, 2010, 02:12 PM // 14:12

Run around without pants yelling at their team.

They're largely a party buff class that can also do some damage at the same time from a range.

Giro · Jun 18, 2010, 02:12 PM // 14:12

Imbagon is the best, due to amazing adrenaline gain allowing him to spam SY! and spear skills.

There are also two gimmicky builds that also work good: http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:P/A_Dagger_Spammer and http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:P/D_Scythe_Spammer

You can always just run a spear DPS build, though they don't work as well. Paragons are a support character. http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:P/any_Cruel_Paragon

Also the Commandagon and Motigon of Racway (http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_Racway) provide good support.

I'm sure there are others, but those are what comes to mind for me.

Benderama · Jun 18, 2010, 03:23 PM // 15:23

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I might be creating a paragon

i made a paragon on an NF only account (so no imbagon). it was a chore to finish NF (i left him for a few months with only 2 missions left). seriouseley i wouldn't say they are fun as a class, the elite skills aren't that interesting skill are quite underpowered. hopefully Anet will give them a proper buff soon.

Voodoo Rage · Jun 18, 2010, 03:24 PM // 15:24

I like running a scythe spammer personally. It's really nice because you are almost necro-like in your ability to recoup energy from your short duration shouts.

Snark Is Dead · Jun 18, 2010, 03:38 PM // 15:38

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Originally Posted by Giro

You can always just run a spear DPS build, though they don't work as well. Paragons are a support character. http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:P/any_Cruel_Paragon

I recommend making use of the PvE only shout "There's Nothing To Fear!" and the command shout "Stand Your Ground!" instead of asura scan.

That way you're doing decent dps and giving good support to your party. Which is basically what paragons can do well...

Oblivious Moose · Jun 18, 2010, 05:37 PM // 17:37

Are you guys kidding me? This is GW.

You can do ANYTHING on your paragon if you wish to.

The community only supports "Top notch cookie cutters" aka "imbagon" variants.

Make use of your secondary, put some effort and creative thinking. Toss in some basic skill mechanics, and area knowledge. Then you can do whatever it is you want.

On a side note, to prevent flamers. Those creative builds wont always be the best, nor do I claim them to be. Its the simple fact that it CAN be done, which is the main part of the GW foundation. (which the community lost lost sight of imho)

LunchboxOctober · Jun 18, 2010, 06:44 PM // 18:44

Paragons can do a lot, but to be really effective the more paragons in a team more powerful the other paragons becomes. Sadly, most people just want you to run imba, and it's okay there are a lot of areas where it helps.

If you know people who have paragons you can make all or mostly paragon teams which are pretty powerful. Motivation doesn't look like much on paper, but two motivation paragons can pump out a lot of party wide healing, especially combined with finale of restoration and and imbagon using sy! More shouts, more heals, more laughs.

Command is just all around good - damage buffs, armor buffs, conditions, support, it's got a lot to offer to aid your party if you know what they have and what you're fighting.

In reality thought the most you will probably play is imba, unless you know other paragons.

Benderama · Jun 18, 2010, 07:13 PM // 19:13

also don't forget the armour ^^, just thoguht i'd mentioned you can't get rid of the big white areas, so not much opportunity for playing dress up with mr & mrs paragon

Nubarus · Jun 18, 2010, 07:29 PM // 19:29

My main character is a Paragon and I love the class, personally I hope Anet won't make the class idiotproof so that GW will be overrun with Paragon's all of a sudden like they did with the Ritualist.

Saying that it can only do one thing makes me laugh to a point I might rip a spleen or something, not to mention that all they throw in someone's face are those crappy PvX builds.

If you want to know what a real Paragon can do, drop me a message in game, I am not going to post my builds here so that they get on Anet's radar and might get wrecked, or on PvX for that matter.

My Paragon character is called Nathifa Hasina.

Bloody Dominator · Jun 18, 2010, 08:59 PM // 20:59

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Originally Posted by Nubarus

If you want to know what a real Paragon can do, drop me a message in game, I am not going to post my builds here so that they get on Anet's radar and might get wrecked, or on PvX for that matter.

ty for making me laugh good sir

on topic: paragons can be quite nice in a party to have (yay uber dmg reduction)
But from my own experience i find the class a bit boring to play, but thats probably cuz i like seeing big yellow numbers everywhere instead of yelling shit at enemies and allies alike

Bob Slydell · Jun 18, 2010, 09:15 PM // 21:15

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Originally Posted by Oblivious Moose

Are you guys kidding me? This is GW.

You can do ANYTHING on your paragon if you wish to.

The community only supports "Top notch cookie cutters" aka "imbagon" variants.

Make use of your secondary, put some effort and creative thinking. Toss in some basic skill mechanics, and area knowledge. Then you can do whatever it is you want.

On a side note, to prevent flamers. Those creative builds wont always be the best, nor do I claim them to be. Its the simple fact that it CAN be done, which is the main part of the GW foundation. (which the community lost lost sight of imho)

I second this entire post. QFT.

SpyderArachnid · Jun 18, 2010, 09:22 PM // 21:22

I don't understand how so many people have so much trouble and say there is only one build for a Paragon.

Personally, I love my Paragon. I play a Motivation Paragon. Party heals with Adrenaline Spear skills to do my damage. I've never been asked to change my build ever and never been kicked from a group cause I wasn't Imba.

Guess it's just me, but I think Paragons are a great class. You just have to spend some time to learn what works for you and do it well.

Nubarus · Jun 18, 2010, 10:06 PM // 22:06

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Originally Posted by Bloody Dominator

ty for making me laugh good sir

on topic: paragons can be quite nice in a party to have (yay uber dmg reduction)
But from my own experience i find the class a bit boring to play, but thats probably cuz i like seeing big yellow numbers everywhere instead of yelling shit at enemies and allies alike

ty for making me laugh as well, the Paragon can do a lot of dmg if you bring the right skills, just because you have no idea how to make such a build shows how little insight you have into the Paragon class.

wilebill · Jun 18, 2010, 10:07 PM // 22:07

Oblivious Moose speak truth /sign

villur your question is difficult for me because I do not know what you want a Paragon for. PvE solo with hero and hench? Very very good for that.

PvE or PvP with your guild? Well, look at the answers above before you make that decision. The adherents of conventional wisdom will give you very little wiggle room.

Lanier · Jun 19, 2010, 12:57 AM // 00:57

If you dont wanna imbagon (which I can't blame you for, its a really boring build) paras can have some pretty good dps spear builds. Both spear elites are pretty good as is soldier's fury. Paras also have access to several good non-elite spear attacks and a few shouts like Anthem of fury, gfte, and find their weakness, which are all good for a spear dps build. If you want dps on a para, there is no reason to bother with the gimmicky scythe or dagger builds (unless you really want to...), just stick with a spear.

Khomet Si Netjer · Jun 22, 2010, 04:19 PM // 16:19

paragon is my main character and I have 4000+ hours on it.
here's my take:

damage dealing: good single target damage, no AoE damage. outclassed by all other damage dealing professions in PvE. you can do good damage in PvE but not with a spear... I would suggest P/W with Hundred Blades, P/D with Aura of Holy Might, etc. Both of those can be buffed with Strength of Honor and Splinter Weapon.

offensive support: moderate to good. by this i mean anthems and shouts which increase damage from other characters or cause conditions. As a general rule these are outclassed by Orders from the necromancer or Weapon spells from the ritualist (or even smiting skills from the monk), because those buffs affect every attack while they are active, while most paragon buffs only affect one attack. on the bright side, paragon buffs stack up and having multiple paragons in a group can be strong because they help each other.

defensive support: excellent. this includes the infamous "imbagon" build which is virtually unmatched, though a soul twisting ritualist with shelter, union, displacement, etc. can do just as well or maybe better.

healing/energy support: weak. due to PvP abuse in some gimmick builds the motivation line was nerfed into oblivion. needs to be buffed badly to see any use at all... and this hurts to say, because I vanquished Ascalon using a paragon as the only healer. It used to work pretty well when combined with other paragons.

condition removal: excellent. Song of Purification, It's Just A Flesh Wound, Cautery Signet, Lyric of Purification. Unfortunately three of these are elite skills but they are all good. I find myself wishing that some of these skills behaved differently, this is a lot of overlapping functionality and the paragon does not have many skills to choose from.

Mia Clemons · Jun 22, 2010, 04:40 PM // 16:40

I've said this before and i'll say it again.

The whole Paragon class is Anet's way of saying "crap, we forgot to give warriors a spear."

The have the same AL, skill types, and have to be within bubble range to do any damage. Other then Imbagon, paragons are useless. Anet better not bring Paragons back in GW2, i will be very disappointed if they do. Seriously, dont bother making a paragon, make another Dervish or something, at least they dont wear skirts and scream at your allies. Plus, i have yet to see a spear i actually like. Voltaic Spear is overrated.

Good luck with w/e class you choose